Friday, March 23, 2012

Collecting Naval Hat Tallies

An interesting bit of nautical collecting is something called a navy hat tally.  They were ribbons with ship’s names and were worn on both the cloth wheel cap and the tarred straw hats starting around the time of the Civil War, in the U.S. navy.  Some countries also used them on tropical pith helmets.  Wealthy owners of private yachts also had their sailors wear hat tallies with the name of the yacht on the ribbon.  Prestigious steamship lines had their sailors wear hat tallies, often with the steamship line flag embroidered on the ribbon as well.

Circa. 1900 British Bosun's Mate with Hat Tally.
The U.S. Navy 1897 regulation prescribed tallies to be made from navy colored silk ribbon and were one and a half inch wide with the letters of the name of the ship in half inch block letters woven from fine gilt thread or stenciled with gold paint.  The lengths of unissued or unused hat tallies varied from 33 inches to 37 inches.  As a side note, the large diameter cracker jack hat had that had been standard from just after the Civil War was reduced in size by regulation after WWI.

Hat tallies were issued as extremely long ribbons, sometimes as long as 38 inches.  When the hat tally was tied to the hat, a bow was made and the extra long tails were often cut short and neat.  Unissued hat tallies will generally be quite long and tied, issued hat tallies when dismounted from the hat will be considerably shorter.  Retired navy men saved their hat tallies and sometimes cut them down to the legend only for display so expect to see a variety of lengths.

Most major navies had hat tallies and it’s not uncommon to find South American and Italian hat tallies on the market because they are still being used today or were made obsolete only recently.  Hat tallies were not just named ships, but naval duty stations and reserve status might be indicated on a hat tally.


American hat tallies with ship names ended in August 1941, just before America’s entrance into WWII, with the bombing of Pearl Harbor due to security reasons.  Wartime and later hat tallies just said U.S. Navy.  The cracker jack hat went away by the mid 1960s, being a piece of basic issue to new recruits, but seldom worn.


Hat Tally USS Lancaster  1858-1915


Hat Tally USS Machias 1891 to 1919


Be careful of buying hat tallies over the internet.  There are increasing numbers of reproductions being sold as original.  The most common are U.S. Navy hat tallies with the name of famous ships from the civil war to WWII as well as German WWII hat tallies of battleships.


The most common original hat tally is the standard “U.S. Navy” which is worth from $5 to $10 depending on condition.  The post-WWI small navy hat with a common “U.S. Navy” legend sells from $25 to $50, although there are considerable variables in condition.  A named hat from a good ship will bring more and a hat with a pre-war named ship hat tally can be expensive, just be careful of reproductions.

Hat Tally USS Mohican 1883-1921

Hat Tally USS Topeka 1898-1929


This is an rare example of a cross over hat tally. The Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse (Kaiser Wilhelm der Große) started out as a civilian luxury liner and was converted into a light cruiser during WWI and was sunk in the battle of Rio de Oro in 1914.

Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse  Luxary Liner-Commerce raider

Norddeutsche Lloyd (NDL) (North German Lloyd) was a Germanshipping company 

Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse   1897-1914 

Norddeutsche Lloyd (NDL) (North German Lloyd) Logo


Please note that all actual hat tallies featured in the above images are original and from our collection and are available for purchase. Prices upon request.

For further information go to the following web sites:

Early Hat Tallies
Canadian Hat Tallies  
Sailor Caps
Navy Uniform History
Soar Valley Weaving, Home of Cap Tallies


Two Sailors from the USS St. Louis Note Hat Tally on Right.


3 comments:

  1. I happen to come across some Naval Tallies (118 of them) at an Antique store. They had been purchased at an auction. They were awesome and I had to buy them. I would like to determine their value. Based on the ship names I would say they are from the 1930's. These are definitely original and not reproductions. I paid $1,800 for them, so not cheap but I had to have them. Some very historic ships represented including the USS Arizona, Oklahoma, other Pearl Harbor ships, etc.... Suggestions?

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  2. Do you have any thoughts on how to mount/display a small (~15) collection of cap tallies? I'm trying to come up with something elegant.

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  3. As to framing your tallies...
    I am not an expert on framing but let me say, it will partially depend on a couple of things. Are your tallies antique or modern copies. The reason being that the antique ones can suffer from to much exposure to light, both natural and man made lighting. The antique ones should never be cut or folded. Cutting was at one time accepted practice, but takes away from the original state in my opinion and is not a good thing. Folding them can cause damage. To me there is nothing sadder than seeing a rare mint condition tally that has been stored away folded with a permanent crease in the name. The few that I still have I keep loosely rolled and in an acid free container boxed away. Never use any type of glue to secure. I have always used only stainless steel mounting pins and on more modern ones double sided tape. I have also placed individual tallies between acid free plastic such as is used for large prints and stored flat or affixed the plastic cut to size of course, to a backing and then framed them. Back in the late 1970's I once saw a spectacular grouping of about 35 or so, cut(unfortunately) to different sizes by the owner and each "unfortunately" glued to high acid content mat board and framed in various "cut to size" antique frames. They were hung as a grouping and formed a very fine display. Another way is to have them pined to an acid free mat in a shallow shadow box type frame. Another more modern way is to have them attached to a piece of acid free clear material such as "Acrylite", using acid free double sided tape. Mount them in the order you desire and then have another piece of clear "Acrylite" screwed or bolted over the grouping or framed in a simple modern frame. Another older idea is to frame one mounted to mat and with a "bio" with as much info as possible about the tally printed off on a high quality card stock, also attached below the tally done up in a suitable font. If financially in ones means, one can really make them look extra posh by having the info on brass plaques. I am sure that there are many thousands of other ideas, but these are just a few off the cuff ideas to get you started. One last thing be very leery of some of ones local framing shops, these glaziers are not always to concerned with how they frame up your items. To them a fine antique is the same as a picture cut from a calendar that the bank gave you. I could tell you more than one story about framing. If you have any further questions feel free to ask.

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